3 Responses to “Symptomatic women can have diagnostic tests at any age”

  1. Eddie McFadyen May 21, 2014 at 7:53 am #

    Well said (again) Margaret. I find at the coal face it’s a difficult battle to get people to understand this matter. I’m surprised to see a contribution from Miriam Stoppard – I thought she would be dead by now.


  2. Kate May 24, 2014 at 4:45 pm #

    These ‘celebrity’ doctors like Miriam Stoppard shouldn’t be allowed to spout ‘advice’ from the pages of a national newspaper. Dr. Stoppard seems to think the smear test is God’s gift to womankind and thinks allowing the under 25’s to test is a wonderful idea. She’s either completely clueless or just saying what the public wants to hear, in the wake of the campaigns that have sprung up.
    One can hardly blame the public for their lack of knowledge when the program relies on fear and ignorance to ensure compliance.

    In regards to the BMJ article: Interesting to note that the second response (to date), while agreeing with Dr. McCartney’s main point, also serves to sing the praises of the ‘highly successful’ screening program. According to the author, we are now in the grip of an epidemic of pre-malignancy. Sounds to me like it’s an epidemic of overdiagnosis. There’s a lot of it going around at the moment!

  3. Jane June 14, 2014 at 11:33 pm #

    Listening to this MD, I detect another “do-good, feel-good,” maniac who expects all of us sheeple to strip, spread, smile, and wait for the perverse minions wearing scrubs to save our lives. No telling what we will encounter and pick up while bottom feeding with the masses. And we can’t be trusted to truthfully disclose our past. So we must be ritually and secretly purified by these educated, qualified, well-rounded, perfectly moral, non-judgemental cabals. And this fishwrap, this rag provides the podium to spread the happy four letter word. Exam.

    Their brainwashing which begins when we’re young, naive, and trusting. It is reinforced before exams, and afterward when we’re saved via freezing, cutting, frying, and burning from something that “might” have turned into cancer.

    Alternatives? Long-term side effects? Adverse events or outcomes? Forgot, er, or, um, just not enough time to mention them. Must proceed right away. Only have 15 minutes. Move!

    Any mention that “it shouldn’t hurt, but it may be uncomfortable, you may feel pressure, or something, the procedure provides its own anesthesia, and that some women report they didn’t feel anything at all (med school cadavers), and that a couple ibuprofen should take care of it…” Or, “not so loud, your husband might hear you and get upset.” And, they always have that look of faked surprise when you scream out, grind your teeth, cry, or beg for your spouse, or beg for them to stop. The last always brings the response that they’re almost done anyway… And the question, “did it hurt that much?” No wonder patients are usually isolated away from advocate family/friends. And kids removed from parents. Less resistance, more compliance. Silence. Their word says they didn’t violate your body although you felt otherwise.

    Of course, afterward they always confess that the procedure they just did to you is one of the most painful. Funny how it always comes out that way!

    The fact that we are not receiving full informed consent for these abusive and oft abused procedures. That we’re being lied to. It’s a “red flag” that we patients, must put a stop to. IF ANY SO-CALLED PROFESSIONAL DOES NOT LIKE WHAT I WRITE, CONSIDER HOW I FEEL ABOUT NOT RECEIVING FULLY INFORMED CONSENT.

    Why don’t these doctors follow their own expert advice and take own their turn in line? Because they know these recommendations are not based on facts. They also want nothing to do with being a patient. From experiencing healthcare while on the table. We’re told “seen one, seen ’em all” Really, should be, “lie to one, lie to all.” However, the one truth they do speak is “we do this all the time.”

    The “how, what, why, when” warrant changing.

    It’s true that doctors and nurses make the worst patients. That they ignore the same screenings foisted upon us. They don’t like being victims of their own policies. Regardless though, almost always doctors are treated as if royalty while on the receiving end, contrary to the routine patient. They have procedures explained, are allowed to watch, their presence not necessary but tolerated, even accepted. Don’t expect similar understanding for your spouse.

    There is no real, truthful doctor-patient relationship. Because there’s no informed consent. Based on fact, not hype and fiction. Doctors and staff like remaining above the law. And receiving large, timely paychecks, reserved, preferred parking, free lunch, and other perks they feel entitled to. Do they deserve it? Earned it?

    Consumers elect politicians who make policy. We also pay the bills. A grassroots effort could mandate that unnecessary tests, like the pap, are stopped. Instead, the Delphi screener used at-home would detect HPV. Follow up paps only as necessary. Save resources for real medical issues. Most of all, treat patients with dignity. Provide pre anesthesia, and post procedure pain control. Same sex staff when requested.

    Transparency for those who want spouses or family observe procedures–from start to finish in the same observation theatres used by students. Real dignity and modesty while under anesthesia. Not using sedation to mask and hide what the patient, and society, would treat is a sexual violation. Remove the “can do no wrong” hierarchy, and reform the system under accountability.

    Begins with this ridiculous pap enforcement program.

    Really. Too much to ask?